From [11]:
Ann Marsh (b 1767) arrived in Sydney on Lady Juliana on 3/6/1790. John Irvine was the second of her four husbands: Richard Alley, John Irvine; Robert Flanagan; William Chapman. The only child from the Alley marriage died at birth in 1791. Ann died on 7/3/1823 at Sydney. Ann Marsh's life and also that of her husband John has been researched by Judy Williams (see her accounts: Ann Marsh and  John Irving, the first emancipist).

Her son, John Hamilton Irvin (b 17/1/1796), married Ann Partridge (born c.1798 in the colony to Ann Driver, no father registered) on  19/5/1818 [5]. They had 6 children (all recorded in [5]):

John Hamilton was listed as "mariner, of Sydney" in 1822 [14], a "boat builder, of Newcastle" in 1823-25 [16], a "shipwright, of Darling Harbour" in 1828 [8] and was on a 31/3/22 "list of persons to whom convict mechanics have been assigned", being "of Sydney" [15].  He applied for permission to build two vessels to trade between Sydney and Newcastle on 6/7/24 [15]. With family, he and Ann spent some time, probably 1823-26, in the Newcastle/Hexham area; . John Hamilton (boatbuilder of Cockle Bay) was on "a list of persons liable to serve as Jurors in the district of Sydney" in 1/11/25 [15]. He died in Waitangi, NZ on 16/1/83 [11]. For NZ information see  www.geocities.com/irvingclannz/ .

Eleanor Irwin/Irvin is next seen as the wife of R. Skewthorpe of Windsor in 1822 [14] with 3 Irvin children (names not given in [14]). In [16], the husband is called Scuttlethorp and located at Richmond; Eleanor has 4 children with her, all called Irvin or Irwin. These are Mary Irwin (age 8), Richard Irwin and Thomas Irvin (both 5) and Ellen Irvin (3). It is hard to see how Ellen could be Ormsby's child, unless Eleanor was in van Diemen's Land for a period. Jean McLaren has clarified these events. She writes "Richard Skuthorp and Eleanor Connor had 7 children: Richard, Thomas, Ellen (1) died, Frances, Ellen (2), John  and Elizabeth.  The births of these 7 children range from 1817 to 1833. Richard (snr) died 02.06.1880, Kurrajong, buried St Peters C of E, Richmond. Convict per General Hewitt arrived 7.2.1814.  He was born 13.08.1791, Cambridge, England.  His first wife was Eleanor Connor b 1791, Ireland d. 14.01. 1857 also buried Richmond.  Richard married Sarah Douglas (nee Sherwood) on 16th January, 1858, one year after Eleanor died.  After Sarah died he married Louisa McKay." Jean is descendant from Sarah's first marriage to James Douglas, so is not primarily concerned with our Eleanor or the Irvine name. We might tentatively conclude from Jean's evidence that young Mary is Ormsby's child. Or can we? See below.

Ormsby Irvine was sent to Newcastle in 1814 soon after his new indictment. The children William and Catharine also went to Newcastle; there is a note of 5/5/16 which places them in school in Newcastle [15]. Ormsby and the two children were then sent to Hobart in December 1816 per the Kangaroo [15]. Catharine was to marry on 2/6/28 in Sorell, van Diemen's Land to William Billet (who was born in the colony). They had 3 sons and 6 daughters [11]. Mark McGowan  mmcgowan1@vtown.com.au writes:
"Ormsby Irwin was tried in Cork, Ireland in April 1806 and sentenced to life. Transported to Sydney arriving 14 August 1809 on the Boyd. Wife Eleanor also travelled to NSW on the Boyd to accompany her husband. Ormsby is mentioned twice in the Sydney Gazette, each time with a property for sale:  August 24 1811;  24 Kent St for sale - 2 July 1814. Both Ormsby and Eleanor were involved in a brawl at a Public House in York St in July 1814 involving Sgt Robert Morrow of the 73rd Regiment and Honor Fahey. The brawl was instigated by Sgt Morrow's objection to the singing of a pro- catholic Irish song by Ormsby Irwin and another soldier. Sgt Morrow died at Sydney Hospital a few days later as a result of internal injuries sustained during the brawl. Ormsby and Eleanor were indicted for Sgt Morrow's murder on 9 July 1814. The accounts given by various witnesses conflicted in many respects, it is clear however that both Ormsby and Eleanor were involved in the brawl. One witness claimed that Eleanor repeatedly kicked Sgt Morrow in the privates as well as the head, back and belly while he was on the ground. The official cause of death is given a Bladder injury. During the trial Eleanor was quoted as saying 'I'm not a Croppies wife, I'm a croppies sister' which is a reference to her Irish Catholic heritage. They were found not guilty of the charge of Killing and Murdering and Guilty of the lesser charge of Feloniously Killing and Slaying. Ormsby was sentenced to 2 years hard labour and transported to Newcastle with children departing on the Endeavor on 16 July 1814.  Eleanor was sentenced to two years in Parramatta Gaol. Whilst in Newcastle both children attended school. Ormsby and children returned to Sydney on 7 August 1816 aboard the Lady Nelson. On 2 September 1816 Ormsby wrote to Governor Macquarie stating that he was transported to New South Wales aboard the Boyd in 1809 and was now an overseer in the town gang. The letter requests that his children be victualled from the public stores. He claims he has no earthly means to support the children due to 'unforseen misfortune and the unnatural conduct of their other parent'. Ormsby and the Children were transported to Van Diemens Land on the "Kangaroo" departing Sydney  16 December 1816. Eleanor's first child to Richard Skulthorp was born in October 1817 possibly as a result of her 'unnatural conduct'.

In the 1819 Land and Stock Muster of VDL both children are mentioned:
    Irwen, Cathn  NO LAND   2 cattle 82 sheep   Clarence Plains;
    Irwen, William  NO LAND  51 sheep   Clarence Plains
 Ormsby is mentioned in the 1822 Hobart Town Muster as having been granted a conditional pardon and living with 1 male and 1 female child.
 
Colonial Secretary's Papers:

Melissa Cocker the_ferals@austarnet.com.au adds: "Catherine is buried in Sorell Cemetery with her husband and 3 of her children. Her headstone says: died 28/10/1878, age 66, married William Bellett 2/6/1828. As for William Irwin, he married Ann Phillips in 1836 at New Norfolk, Tasmania."

Trica Sullivan ( lsullivan@vtown.com.au) writes .... John Irvan (Irvine, Irving) "served in England in the army before joining the Royal Veterans and coming to Australia on the John Barry in 1826. This unit, after arriving in Sydney, was transferred to Tasmania. John Irvine went with them. John had family come out with him. He was discharged in Tasmania and received a land grant. I believe he died in either Victoria or NSW."

Madeline Ide ( ideout@tpg.com.au )  writes ...... Patrick Irvine/Irving/Erwin "is my  g. g. grandfather. He arrived in Sydney as a convict on the Regalia, sentenced to 7 years for Highway Robbery in 1825 at Neath in Ireland. He received his Cert. of Freedom on 4 August, 1832. The ship's indent shows him assigned to someone called Palmer at Richmond and on a Road Gang.

As  Patrick Erwin he married Eliza Nelson in Sydney on 18 May 1837.
 
There were changes of the surname several times. Ships indent and C/F shows Irvine/Irwine, the marriage cert. is Erwin and all the children's surnames in the birth records on the NSW BDM's Pioneer Index are Irwin. On Eliza's death the notice in a newspaper the name is Erwin but in the NSW BDM's it is Irwin. Patrick's name in his will and on the headstone he had erected at Lusk, Ireland in memory of his parents is Erwin.

Age records vary too. The ship's indent shows Patrick Irvine aged 25 in 1826 when he was convicted and my ancestor Patrick Erwin died in Dublin age 67 in 1866. His C/F says he was born in 1801. Records that I have show his birth date being c1799.

Patrick and Eliza had eight children and were living at Elizabeth Street, Strawberry Hills when she passed away on 13 June 1852. Children were - Patrick, b1837, James Joseph, b1839, Elizabeth, b1841, Sarah, b1842, Michael, b1844, Jane, b1845, Andrew, b1847 and Susannah, b1850. Andrew was my g.grandfather. He married twice and had seven children by his first wife, Emma, and one child, Patrick James, by his second wife Katherine; this last child was my grandfather.

A second Ticket of Leave was issued to Patrick Erwin in 1853 after he was convicted of larceny in Sydney in 1851. This document confirms that he is the same man who was transported in 1826 aboard Regalia."